This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. >What else could he call it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. orpsychotherapists. Statanic mass? He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. But that's not the half of it. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Same voice. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. Take another listen. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? So is Ziegler lying? Please either stop or> shape up. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Mandy was not the same woman. EWS was potential. I actually had to look that up. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< He didn't recognise her voice. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." It was a party nevertheless. Put on some headphones and listen. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. Orgy? Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? Orgy? Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. In Dr. Bill's "dream," the masked woman he meets (played by Abigail Good) and who he later sees dead in the morgue, is a distortion of the woman he met at the party when he was still "awake" partying with his wife. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. Was she the women at the party?" There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. Mandy was not the same woman. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. <<<<<<<<<<. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. <<<<<<<<< it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. <<<<<<<<<<. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. Is that how > you> would describe it? It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. 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