Dont ever think youre indespensible. Can it be said that the Thamud made wells and their successors i.e. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. This is attested by Safaitic inscriptions (beginning in the 1st century BCE) and the many Arabic personal names in Nabataean inscriptions. (LogOut/ The Edomites can also be a separate nation and through the passage time they shared history, tradition, and custom with the remnants of the Thamud. The Quran and quoted Hadiths indicate that the buildings of the Thamud were visible at the time of the Prophet () as signs to the Arabs. The Kingdom of Thamud was the first existing kingdom on the Arabian peninsula, according to Assyrian and Roman sources. Only Allah knows if this scenario really happened. Based on the Quranic and Biblical evidence, and the lack of archeological evidence which can conclusively show that every single structure that is excavated, and those that will be excavated in the future, are all Nabatean in origin, I believe carving out structures on hills and mountains originated with the Thamud, which was later adopted by the Edomites, which later still, was adopted by the Nabateans. The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. Most scholars interpret this as an earthquake. Hence I clearly mentioned in my original comment that this seems to be the weakest of all interpretations. [13] Adnanites are believed to be the descendants of Ishmael through Adnan but the traditional Adnanite lineage doesn't match the biblical line exactly. Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of Gods chosen prophets and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. Thus, at the end, the people of al-Hijr are mentioned. Omissions? So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. Archaeological sites Anyway, whats really important is what led to their punishment. What the Prophet () and the Sahaba went through during Tabuk was overall the joint place of Thamud and Nabateans and more specifically the exact well from where the she-camel drank. Is al ula walid al qura Or just left relics in land 6. The facades vary in height and in the richness of their decorations. declares the LORD. Instead, the camel is killed by a certain "accursed Amar", and the camel's foal stands upon a rock and curses Thamud, leading to the tribe's annihilation except for a single lame woman who is spared to spread the message of the destruction. The word Thamud appears in the Annals of the Assyrian king Sargon II (r. 722705 BCE), inscribed at Dur-Sharrukin. However, not all of them were destroyed; Salih and hisfollowers continued to live on. But despite all of this advice, the Aad rejected their brother Hud. One Who missed the Friday Prayer should pray Zuhr: Moving the Finger in Tashahhud : Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom. They may have even intermingled to the point of losing any distinction along ethnic lines as there is no good reason or evidence to preclude the idea that the Thamud also ventured and lived in Petra and the surrounding areas. As for objection number one, as far as my research has shown, the only reason that the carved-out structures are considered tombs is due to various rectangular carved out niches inside them where the dead bodies were to be placed. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. In the Nabataean period, several impressive facades were carved into the hills outside al-Hijr, between the 1st century BC and 1st century AD. Heres how Allah describes their punishment. The general consensus among 14th-century Arab genealogists is that Arabs are of three kinds: . They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. The Ayah is general [And how many a city have I (Allah) destroyed]? And when they conqured people, they did so in a harsh, brutal, and ruthless manner. It does not state, however, who made the inscriptions. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. She states that all we have are A few papyri, which are mainly private contracts, and thousands of graffiti scattered on the rocks, 90% of which contain only the name of the individual who wrote it, his fathers name, and a formulaic greeting. Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. As for the wells, studies have shown that the Nabateans were experts in the field of irrigation and a lot of wells was attributed to them. The Quran on the Cerebrum: _ Qur'an and Science. Now we come to the archeological matters concerning the Nabateans. [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. [Quran 27:45]. Thus, there was a latter 'Ad as well, whom some exegetes considered the people of Thamud. The terror you inspire Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him! They used to carve in the past and their present structure is not described in this Ayah. It must also be kept in mind that not all of the structures have been found as of yet. It is possible that the dwelling areas are no longer visible in the last 1400 years as these are just small rooms and tombs with no space inside. It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. As is the usual case, the Christians are, 1. p.190. By about 850 BCE, a complex network of settlements and camps was established. Also there were no prophets between Isa AS and Muhammad SAW which is another issue to clarify. The tribe refused to heed him, saying that Salih was merely a mortal, and demanded a sign from God. According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. Allah says: `Say, O Muhammad, to these idolators who disbelieve in the message of truth that you have brought: If you turn away from that which I have brought to you from Allah, then I warn you of the punishment of Allah like the . 89:9 is in past tense. We have no firm textual evidence as to where they went, but their pattern of rock carving survived for millennia among their successors in the area such as the Nabateans, the Dedanites, the Lihyanites who supplanted the Dedanites in Dedan in the last century BCE and 1st century CE and others. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). The story of musa (muses) a.s. _ Magic and Illusi Suhih Muslim _ Book of "End of the World", Who is Musa a.s. (Moses) ? Mostafa Badawi, in his book Ancient Prophets of Arabiasays thatthe people ofThamdlived in the 8th century BCE in the al-Hijr region and were destroyed. An archeologist studying Mount Rushmore 2000 years after the inscriptions may well deduce that the statues of Mount Rushmore were made by Latin Americans and even guess the date incorrectly. Accordingly, the Thamud were a powerful and idolatrous tribe living in Hegra, now called Madin li, the Cities of liin northwestern Arabia. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. Allah knows best if that really happened (this event is not mentioned in the Quran or Sunnah.). [22], Thamudic is an aggregate name for some 15,000 inscriptions from all over Arabia, which have not been properly studied and identified as separate languages. And take for yourselves palaces and fortresses that you may abide eternally?Chapter 26, Verses 128 129. Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. The ruined abandoned wells and ruined lofty palaces were present at the time of the Prophet (). The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). [15] A major source of income for these people was the taxation of caravans, and tributes collected from non-Bedouin settlements. The Arabs on the Iranian side of the Gulf tend to speak a dialect much closer to Gulf Arabic opposed to the Khuzestani Arabic which is closer to Iraqi Arabic. Have not read their own bibles. So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? So away with Thamud! Arab genealogical tradition. So Ad lives in a mountainous country with lush valleys; and they made altars on the mountains. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. where they used to live. Some sources say the time period of the Thamud, as mentioned in the Quran, was about four generations after the Aad. their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. Though no one knows for sure when either of these groups existed, it is clear from the Quran that the Aad were successors to the people of Noah. They were so proud of their accomplishments, that they built huge castles, palaces, and other structures as symbols of their power. God then destroyed the tribe, except for Salih and a few other righteous men. [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. (sorry for all the writting just answer the atharan bit and the 7 things I just wrote Down it doesnt matter about that long paragraph in the middle), Or bonus it just means they were better in building houses on past witch you cant see anymore like effects in 30:50, Any thoughts Bro sorry to keep bothering you with this, Aoa Ruins of Aad and Thamood existed at time of Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam Assalaamu alaykum I was wondering does verse 2938 of the Quran mean that the houses of Aad and Thamud are still standing and that we can see them If Aad were destroyed there is nothing left of Aad apart from their land so their houses have fallen down and if they were not standing in Prophet Muhammads sallallaahu . SUHIH MUSLIM _ THE BOOK OF HEART-MELTING TRADITION 40 Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi's Forty Hadith. Id hate to be the one to rain on the holy Christian parade, but this inanity has to be responded to. , they did so in a harsh, brutal, and ruthless.... 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