These ancient icons carry a profoundly rich cultural heritage that is automatically equipped with a variety of masculine connotations. Even between St. Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, for example! Alex Islamist= radical Muslim, not to be confused with the non-murderous Muslims. Well, then. I snatched it up, opened it, and read in silence the chapter on which my eyes first fell. A more technical definition may be found in any number of treatises on moral theology. The Calvinist Club, Sola Scriptura, Purgatory, Purgatory: 1 Corinthians 3 and Tim Staples, Art Sippo on 1 Corinthians 3 and Purgatory, Called to Cyprian Responding to Anders Historical Error, The Audio for the Marian Dogmas Debate has been Posted, Top Ten Reasons NOT to Join the Roman Catholic Church. Lane, Also reported on the last few nights in Opelousas (which I mispronounced at the start! seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? Have you even seen the posts from the Pro-White supporters? Face it, some folk get a kick out of kicking over ant hills. Thats not Ed youre seeing in the mirror. Thats what I was attempting to point out earlier: So some people have tried to love James White and bring him to life, and he has compared them to persons who hate and try to bring death. So youre so close to White that he confides his motivation to you? Fascinating. Thatd be a really uninformative debate. Carebear and Lane, Which is it? In terms of Beckwiths conversion, yea i can see how someone would get upset with white for turning that into a stepping stone for his cause against the catholic faithin that sense it is serious. I dont think Catholic answers likes JamesrWhite.org tied(or whatever you call it in this case) to their website. Blog Im not fighting with anyone. So what were the Crusades and the Inquisition about, then? Simply Amazing. thread, it would be ridiculous for Catholic Answers to go to the extent of purchasing a domain name as Jamesrwhite.org just to trick the visitors into visiting Catholic.com since (1) it can appear as a negative point against these folks (2) it places too much importance on the likes of James White. Also, Im in full agreement with Mr. Donald Casadonte. Im fairly certain White and his creator were well aware of the ignorant zeal of Akin and his followers when the pictures were created and posted. How is God glorified when you and Mother Church want the glory for yourselves? Usually Ill employ sarcasm + substance in order to make a point. People are just talking past one another. repentance from a change of The foundation of the certainty of our knowledge of the canon is based upon Gods purposes in giving Scripture, not upon the alleged authority of any ecclesiastical body. ASU is a Pac 10 school. God became man. Jesus himself existed outside of timethe Holy Trinity was not established 2000 years ago after all Jesus himself said that before Abraham I am. I am fond of what talk radio host Dennis Prager holds as one of his key goals on his show: I prefer clarity over agreement. May it be so for us as well. But in these discussions, when serious questions of historical transformation of dogma over time call into question the truth claims of Rome, and sting the conscience of those who genuinely seek truth, the reaction of throwing the messenger to the dogs while ignoring the message, and then calling that charity, is maddenly frustrating to watch. You will also notice a few dotted lines connecting the letters alpha and omega. Taking your word that hes wrong is something no one should be prepared to do. Registrant State/Province:CA He (Dr Beckwith) repeatedly (two out of three aint bad) left his readers/listeners with the distinct impression that he had not read Trent until recently and insulted his former Lutheran professors by indicating they had led him to expect: to read this sort of horrible document, you know, requiring people to stick pins in their eyes, you know, and flagellate themselves, you know, He became Scholar-in-Residence at Apologia Church in Tempe, Arizona in 2018,[10][11] and was installed as one of the pastor/elders in 2019. Is Jesus truly God, truly Man, both, or some combination of the two? Someone registered it and then pointed it to Catholic Answers. Everybody spends his time responding to criticism or disagreement with personal insults and making fun of the apologist on the other side. Let us pray for each other! The brilliance of your tactic is this: if the commenter had substituted people for racevoila! Dr. White has lost due to an abigious law listed on wikipedia. If Catholicism as a whole, then those who have stated that White is particularly antagonistic to White are correct. Bible versions are, Westcott and Most cartoons dont leave me laughing. I know I dont always). I dont need to read everything hes written about every topic in order to engage in discussion about a single topic. I seriously need a projectile vomiting smiley to express my disgust. Here, the alpha and omega letters are placed in such a manner, that it is easy to see and separate the symbols. It should be noted that even if an author does not write down a list of his or her works, a canon exists nonetheless, which he or she knows infallibly. Esau, No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. God bless you, Sir, for your stalwart attempt at spreading the Genuine Gospel of Our Lord. The exchange Esau and I are in is outlined in James R. Whites book Scripture Alone. On the contrary, the greater the outrage, the more delicious the cake. But please, in both, show love. The synod at Hippo? The pictures That was the topic of discussion that Jimmy asked us to consider, not apologetics unless you know more about the relationship of theology to humor than I do and can discuss that restricted use of theology intelligently. But, all the same, I think he was right to try to end the debate or at least give White an opportunity to correct his offense and bring the conversation back to a level of civility. It was St. Ignatius (50-107 A.D.) appointed Bishop of Antioch by Saint Peter, who first used the Greek word Katholicos, meaning universal, when referring to the Church founded by Christ; this he did in order to distinguish the True Church, already being preached throughout the world, from heretical churches that had arisen. Even as David also describeth What is your criteria for accepting the books that comprise the New Testament, if you do not trust or acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church that decided its Canon??? Ugliness that comes from misuse of religion is particularly tricky. Blessed Redeemer It also makes an excellent chest tattoo, especially if you choose to also get the Alpha symbol on the other side of your chest. canon contains 1+ n books known only to Author it is easier that way. What are you talking about? So, we have an example of a human work done in faith though the result is due to God. I am half-beginning to think that we do in fact deserve it. As for those who are not rational, discourse is not the way into their soul. Had we more folks like you, then perhaps we could live together as brethren in the Faith rather than the viscious venom you find in the age-old prejudice: Prots v. Romanists. By the way, what WAS the purpose of White posting those pictures???? People on both sides have used weak and strange arguements, I have never seen anything like it to be honest. Its unworthy of Christian discipleship. Will you in turn address one of my issues? And a re-read of the thread shows that it has indeed conveyed that message to a number of people. 18:17). I dont even agree with him fully, and *I* respect that class. Read Whites post on this, he aks some diffult questions and quite frankly it is Jimmy Akin and Dr. Beckwith who have evaded these important questions and have focues on this did you read rtrent fiasco. [14][15], White often engages in public debate, having participated in more than 170 public moderated debates,[16][17] covering topics such as Calvinism, Roman Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Infant baptism[18] the King James Only movement, Jehovah's Witnesses, and atheism. true faith is alway accompanied by works. No, thats because I am dense but thats another issue. Every day someone new stands up wild-eyed and excited that they finally figured it out. well let me just say, your doing fine in that department already. What gives? The steve that wrote at Aug 11, 2007 10:50:06 AM You cant make this stuff up! If you understand that salvation Q: Not the gnostic thing again, please. The material written and/or performed by humorists tends to be more subtle and cerebral than the material created by stand-up comedians and comedy writers. Did you have something of substance you wanted to say, or were you just going to back me up in a sarcastic manner. The reason I say that is that White has now posted pictures I believe in free will I make my own choices We just dont believe that it each of us is free to interpret every word that it contains. God does all the winning. Dale you know the really funny thing? Marketing.!!!! As a German American I would be somewhat happy if this were true. Ed, you really need to stop looking in the mirror so much. Ray found out about the albino monk assassins weve sent out to stone James White! If you believe I am a Christian, if you believe Catholics are Christian, then correct me please in charity. This is as preposterous as the fringe left equating serious Christian belief with Islamic fundamentalism. Now if it is true that nothing else matters if a person lacks charity, then there could not possibly be something more important to point out to a fellow Christian than when he or she is lacking in charity in some way. If your brother sins, rebuke him, and *if he repents*, forgive him; and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven, and says, I repent, you must forgive him. Luke 17:3-4. In recent years James has debated in such locations as Sydney, Australia, as well as mosques in Toronto, London, and South Africa. As for your second, some other day perhaps you can tell me what you think should means. But that hardly makes an interesting novel or movie for those such as Dan Brown and his enthralled fans. The Wisdom of Sirach As Mary noted, she and I are different people. Foxfier, thanks for your thoughtful response. Nah, :). That would be mundane. Actions have consequences. Fully understandable! If you have read at all, I already showed how I believe God used the church body to reveal divine canon to us. I had a url. corrupt Bible versions (although he admits he doesn't support all of them). CareBear says All Rights Reserved. Mr. White is correct in stating that God wanted to convey the Scriptures and Canon to his people, and that He would spare no necessary Grace in doing so. Jesus also prayed for those who crucified him saying, Father forgive them, they know not what they do. Does the vitriol of James White compare with the great injustice done Christ? Oh dear. His conversion story, "A Triumph and a Tragedy," is published in Surprised by Truth. Have there been some very unkind attacks on Dr. White on this thread? he claims implies that they are irrefutable. Somebody bring me up to speed. [4] Early life and education In other words, it assumes either the Author first wrote a portion and then attained infallible knowledge of the canon, or attained both at the same time. When you gulp down the unexamined assertions of any one-true-agent-of-God-on-earth organization, you will begin to stumble down a very dark and threatening path. When we do what we can to share it with you, you call us mean. [21][22][23][24], White has written multiple books critical of Roman Catholic theology, including the books; The Roman Catholic Controversy, Mary: Another Redeemer? Dont blame me if/when that night comes, when suddenly you SEE the church, her doctrine, her Glory, her history and enter the Church kicking and screaming (not really, but definitely the journey starts reluctantly) and filled with peace and joy as you sacrifice the opinion of family and friends to Fully take part in the supper of the Lamb. I wasnt responding to Matthew originally, his request happened to coincide with my refutation of Esau via quotation of Whites own book about sola Scriptura. Its not going to change a whit on this thread. Im not terribly impressed with the behavior of some participants on either side. The Story of the Prophet Iddo Like for instance the constant personal character assassination and unsubstantiated accusations against one person in particular (James White). Whats happenin? the Council of Trent really doesnt anathematize Protestants (even though it was written in direct response to the reforms of Luther and others) Thats what makes humor like that found on Steven Coberts (who Im sure you know is Catholic) Report so funny. I fully expect him to start into depends on your interpretation at any time now. Esua, I spoke on the topic of the eternal law of progression in Mormonism in Anchorage this morning. peace. There is no Caliph-like figure in the history of Christianity, at least on a universal scale. He played Michelangelo and Donatello for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise as well as Johnny Cage in Mortal Combat the world-tour. Was all of this just a bunch of show and now all the air got let out of the tires? Realize that the only place an omnipresent God cannot be is in the heart of those who refuse Him. Personally, I cant think of anything scarier than a J.A dolly. Okay, CareBear, tell me then, which books do you consider inspired and tell me exactly why???? We are called by God to go beyond the veil of darkness and become what Chesterton calls an outpost of light. If anyone wants to discuss the matter of the humor in Dr. Whites picture in a serious and polite manner, please, feel free to e-mail me. Those pictured are, in fact, terrorists and not just rallying Muslims. All we have right now is a giant urinary joust of who is more charitable and/or offensive. James White is not. 3. For all thats worth. Sorry. We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (there, he means Catholics); that they possess the Word of God which we received from them. All of a fabric to stir up a mess then walk away without cleaning it up. Does anyone have an answer to the Protestant position? What he likely doesnt realize is that he could spend three months or three years documenting the charge, and White would still do the same thing. A more accurate statement is the actions of everyone here make you ashamed to be a Christian. M Burke criticized Francis Beckwiths doctorate, but refers to James White as Dr White? Take a look at the appendix to the second edition of Chosen But Free by Norman Geisler. Is it the collective memory of Catholicism or individual Catholics? Call me a liar, youd be right, any Christian would confess such a thing. that should read White antagonistic to Catholics Aug. 11, 11:19 am which I corrected within minutes when I realized I had not proofread it. Which would unfortunately include YOU in that comment. If you believe that, go re-read this thread. Since Mr White is apparently reading everything with his name on it, & since he has no combox (probably a wise move, considering what I feel like posting there): Unfortunately, James White is a big FAT CHANCE!!!! Esua, OK, CareBear, Ive read the James White excerpt, and I still dont get it. . People would notice and begin to question a list of bad Christian churches. Please provide evidence. here. This is a rather convient way to win a debate without ever having to defend a word you say As with any other tattoo design or symbol, if the alpha and omega tattoo reflects your personal energy and disposition, then it is time for you to make use of at least one of these designs. The Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel[13] I share it. Tech Email:whois-protected2@mapname.com Or the Massachusetts Bay Colony? So I hurried back to the spot where Alypius was sitting, for I had put there a the volume of the aspostle when I got up and left him. HA! Anonymous who I gather is Eric, White is one of these guys who spends half his time making fun of his opposite number among the Catholic apologists and responding to ad hominems (umm, ad hominis?) Either you believe what the Bible says, or you do not. I did look at Whites website. I just pray no one looks to him to see a reflection of Christs attitude. Why is Bishop White so concerned with lay Catholic apologists? We deserve the ridicule of White like good children deserve cake. Which is practically the exact same argument atheists make when confronted with the fact that atheist states can be nasty. CareBear, youve made several accusations, not a one of which you will justify, and you consistently ignore rational arguments. One does not do a stand-up comedy routine to a group of nuns where one dirty joke is told after another and expect it to be perceived as funny. 2 Timothy 2:24-26 The Lords servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. The word hypocrisy comes to mind with this double standard (to put it mildly). John 6 See more ideas about tattoos, body art tattoos, alpha omega tattoo. So I dont want to hurt you, in any way. I got a notification on my phone about an article posted by my daughter Summer, so I opened it up and began to read. Why do you think Jimmy has to blog on only serious matters? I hate to even mention this but It does remind me of the mindset of many (thankfully not all) Muslims who, no matter what atrocity they are confronted with always see the Jews behind it to make them look bad. May no one be less good for having come within my influence. Fox, 1Tm 3:15: He is an accomplished debater, having engaged in more than one hundred seventy-five moderated, public debates with leading proponents of Roman Catholicism, Islam, Jehovahs Witnesses, and Mormonism, as well as critics such as Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, and John Shelby Spong. Dont poisen the well. Yes it is, have you read at all? Final Dividing Line of 2022. Jimbo, What about Lutheranism? [definition from as being authors of particular books? This thread has been painful reading. Hows that, Gary? As sacralists, they could not conceive of God sanctioning anything or anyone outside the well-defined contours of the divinely created socio-political entity known as Israel. Mary Kay the Trademarked Toy only showed up after this deal started, that Ive seen. Domain ID:D148791841-LROR Compare the iconoclasm, similar views on divine election, disdain for priesthood, and belief that the individual can read scripture outside of any binding authoritative framework, and voila: Critical similarities between Reformed Christianity and Islam. I agree with Bills comment of thread hijack attempt. Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. Admin Phone Ext. Tech Phone Ext. How about if I made a similar analogy between your parents and loved ones and the 9/11 terrorists??? You may be a fan of White who doesnt frequent is web site, or hasnt seen the relevant statement or just didnt absorb it, for that matter. Bodily Assumption? Mary, That doesnt say not to forgive him otherwise. Correct. Oh, is that why you and the Disciples of James White purchased the www.jameswhite.org domain in order to implicate Jimmy Akin as well as Catholic Answers with such Act of Deception? I didnt really get his analogy, carebear. Your ad hominem comment had no basis. Maybe he repents but you dont know it. Humbly, I remain your servant, your brother and your fellow seeker of Gods mercy, I hope Dr. White learns that one take-home message. Sola Scriptura and the Early Church in Sola Scriptura! If you dont, then why are you making these extended comments that have nothing to do directly with the thread? We should make this 700 post combox into a book eventually, and market it to tghe insane it will sell really well. Whites fans always do. The best thing to do is to let go and just not respond. 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