In my own thoughts, its a very personal experience that people who dont identify with a xenogender (even if they do, they arent the specific person either!) Shut the fuck up! My friend told me about her sister creating questionable genders. Not OP, nor trans but it's about the feeling of gender dysphoria and general discomfort about your assigned gender. A form of self expression often used by neruodivergent people. Sorry i didnt mean it like the LGBTQIA+ community is a club or whatever. That's why it's called Xenogender, because Xeno describes alien. I thought xe/xem pronouns were easy and sounded good on me. There is a misconception that using one of these makes someone trans and/or nonbinary. I don't think stuff equivalent to being goth should give people those same protections. Xenogender is also made by a neurotypical (allistic) person on Tumblr. This radical woke crowd is becoming a parody of itself. Being otherkin means you feel like a mythical creature like a angel. I'm making this post to ask some questions about Xenogenders, and if whether or not they are valid. Related I 'm fluid, agender, trans, demi My identity is non-binary. We should not be against each other and its really important trans people give each other support.. From the time that were young, were taught that there are only hers and hims. If its not valid to say feeling warm and fuzzy makes you feel like a cat, what exactly does it mean to be gender fluid and feel like a girl some days and a boy others? Unfortunately most folk don't have the same attitude of "you crack on pal" as you've stated here. as for treegender it could mean how they identify could be rooted into tree and flora or maybe the metaphorical definition of the tree is why someone is connected to it. Ou derives from the Middle English (h)a, which is a reduced form of the Old and Middle English masculine and feminine pronouns he and heo (yes, she used to be heo)., Neopronouns recently became a topic to debate on the social media platform, . I am hoping that redirecting the discussion to be more productive than just people going off on xenogender people (who already get enough shit, they don't need more), will work. So since gender is subjective, I would argue that it is intersubjective at the level of a society. Not because xenogenders are themselves genders, but because anyone who adopts a xenogender must already be nonbinary by definition. Please refer to these threads instead. It is more helpful to ask xenogender people to help you understand xenogenders, than to ask non-xenogender p , but within the LGBTQ+ community. Xenogenders are made for everyone to find what describes them best, and even cisgender people can (and do) use them and new neopronouns to describe their more unique feelings of themselves to others. Kylie Jenner, Naomi Campbell and Irina Shayk all wore dresses with sculpted animal heads during the Schiaparelli show, held this Monday, January 23 in Paris. They should get psychological help to figure out the root cause of their issues. Prince Harry's memoirs came out on January 10 and do not stop making waves. Some even went as far as to claim people using neopronouns are just cis straight people who wanted to be part of the LGBTQ+ commuinty but dont actually experience gender disphoria. But some people dont neatly fit into the categories of man or woman, or male or female. For example, some people have a gender that blends elements of being a man or a woman, or a gender that is different than either male or female. really, it has to do what your gender feels like, or how you feel about it. So while were largely drawn to categorizing things or coming up with terms to help us communicate with each other, gender remains something that just gets more abstract the further you stray from cisnormativity. Also, I'm curious exactly what genders like Cloudgender and Treegender mean, as that is where I'm most lost on the topic. A Xenogender is a gender that is made for peoples interests/struggles. I'm not a native English speaker and I can hardly understand it (Does this mean the word "valid" is invalid to me? Saying you are cat gender because you feel "warm and fuzzy" is terrible, it's like your saying your an attack helicopter. Neopronouns are pronouns for people who dont feel comfortable using she/her, he/him, or they/them pronouns. Doesnt mean you have to expect everyone to use it. Stop supporting them its making a mockery of the lgtb. Some neopronouns that are seen as more socially acceptable include. That's something different. And, perhaps obviously, genders can be switched in the example above.) It is more helpful to ask xenogender people to help you understand xenogenders, than to ask non-xenogender people whether they accept xenogenders or not. Why I have a problem with xenogenders is on pride month they want people to celebrate them. I think it's cringe, but it's valid. For the LGBTQ+ community: LGBTQ+ people were ostracized for years, because at a time it was considered disgusting and not normal to like the same gender, or to identify with the opposite gender. She and he pronouns were okay but didnt fit right exactly. #queer #lgbtq #xenogenders #xenogender". Xenogenders (Nazi-gender, gayfuckgender, stupidgender, sourgender, mentalillnessgender). No, she is using her limited language to best express her thoughts and feelings. Occasionally you might meet someone who breaks the normal binary, and uses they/them pronouns, but there is more than one way to identify as non-binary. Its kinda confusing to say wether or no its valid (which is already a non acceptable statement as said by a trusty mod) but then say I dont mean to offend. Theyre doing more harm than the person who uses those pronouns by bashing them., When it comes down to it, neopronouns are just a way to express oneself in the truest form. Intersubjective: personal feelings at a group level. I'm collecting examples of experiences that might count as xenogender, Answers to your questions about transgender people, 9 questions about trans issues you were too embarrassed to ask, Explained: The difference between gender, gender expression, and sexuality, From 'Disclosure' to 'Pose': What movies, shows to watch during Transgender Awareness Week. As of 2/22/2021, when this Carrd received a complete revamp, the Italian and Portuguese translations are outdated. They arent doing any harm to anyone so people should treat them respectfully. (Or, they want to act like males, but cant because their body presents as female - however those folk arent part of my argument. Utilizamos Cookies propias y de terceros para mejorar nuestros servicios y mostrarle publicidad relacionada con sus preferencias mediante el anlisis de sus hbitos de navegacin. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Paste as plain text instead, WebThey are valid, ONLY if you use them for the right reason. Common Xenogenders are catgender, pupgender, bungender, sweetgender, and faegender. Many people confuse xenogenders with kinning and being a therian. I wanted more options so neopronouns were really cool for that purpose. https://xenogenderwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Why_xenogenders_are_valid If someone says they are a Twix bar, then who am I to say differently? THIS so called gender was made by a tumblr user in 2014, which is quite obvious it is not lgtb.they have no links to what the lgtb is about such as Gender/sexuality/identification.it is stupid that they have ohtbursted in this pride month. WebNeogender was coined/defined by MM at Mogai-Wiki on October 20, 2020 and was originally described as "Neogender is an umbrella term used to describe any gender coined/created in or after the year 2000. All rights reserved. Telling people who use neopronouns they arent valid because you think its not normal is doing the same thing to them that was once done to you. I would greatly appreciate, if I could be provided a little bit more information. I agree with you in principle, but I have to ask: what do you believe makes a gender valid or invalid? I have a pride account on Instagram (@abro.awareness), so please dm me with an answer if possible! People who use Xenogenders to get into the LGBTQIA+ community do not experience gender dysphoria. Xenogenders are so individualistically defined its surprisingly hard to have a good definition besides identifying outside of the preconceived feminine, masculine, androgyne and neutral! Saying you are cat gender because you feel "warm and fuzzy" is terrible. Xenogender is a term that is used to refer to describe what someone's gender feels like to them. Its hard enough to get old folks to use "they/them", words that they use literally every day of their lives. I think that this is a great article, and some amazing points were made. It Defies the logic of gender. Ethereum is transexual because it is also accepted widely. I'd just like to thank the moderator, Ryn for not locking my post and letting me know what I said wrong. I wanted more options so neopronouns were really cool for that purpose. You know, it's kind of like kinks and fetishes in sexual orientation. And what does the word "valid" mean, can you define it? As a trans man, I believe xenogenders are not valid. Xenogenders are basically just mockery to the transgender community. If you want to go by pup/ Transgender and gender-nonconforming people might experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives. Many non-binary people experience gender dysphoria, except they experience it for she/her and he/him pronouns, and neopronouns users experience it for she/her, he/him, and they/them pronouns. Xenic Alignment System (Gem Gender System), https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-365.1-365.3, https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-439.1-471.12, https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-355.0-357.244. Jeffery Baker*, a Bythewood student, falls somewhere in the middle with this issue, If Im with you, Ill call you whatever you want, but I dont think it should be the job of society to change. He continued, society should not be forced to normalize it, because that just goes against the first amendment., Daisy, a non-binary, they/them user disagreed. Theres certainly a conversation to be had around gender, but I think were going way too far with all of this and validating this behavior is not what is best for these people. Test My Belief Reddit! you CAN NOT claim to not be homophobic or ableist if you dont support/believe Hello everyone, I'm sorry for the late response. My goal is not to offend anyone who identifies under a Xenogender label, I am just trying to understand them. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. some use it for describing their gender and How they feel. If you have anything to contribute to this project, please get in touch by contacting me through one of these websites. You arent laying out a conclusion. Yeah but Im talking about if ur other king is a cat, your xenogender would be a catgender for example as you feel fluffy. If youre trans, not everyone has the same experiences as you. If you want to identify as a shoe, have at it. Possum.Lover, could you explain a bit more about Xenogenders? She wants to fix how people see her by changing her body. But using the logic of gender existing as something necessarily derived from and related to sex, you could easily make the argument that agender people arent valid either. There is no reason to have them as genders. Were not yet used to descriptions of or experiences with gender given through a nonbinary lense. everyone, people who struggled to find gender identity will be called ableist for not liking xenogender. So Xenogenders mock the LGBTQ+ and the neurodivergent community. Identity is something assigned by other people. Neopronoun users deserve just as much respect as you do. We should not be against each other and its really important trans people give each other support.. This is untrue. It all sounds so cringey and dumb because, despite the word itself, theyre not actually supposed to be considered genders. ", Preventing procrastination during e-learning, The true sexism behind miniskirts and spandex, To legalize or not to legalize: that is the question, Political Correctness: Everchanging Correctness. I think some of them are legit, and some are just clout-chasing. I have no way of knowing which is which, but if xenogenders become widely accepted Ou derives from the Middle English (h)a, which is a reduced form of the Old and Middle English masculine and feminine pronouns he and heo (yes, she used to be heo).. These are called neurogenders, and most of them are not described on this page, but on the neurogender page. But really this is just a nonbinary person who is adopting the aesthetic of a vampire, deer, cuttlefish, etc. Me, an autistic trans man who gets constantly told that I can't understand gender by ableist nuerotypicals and mocked for being trans by anti-trans people saying shit like they identify as an attack helicopter or a rock. I dont go to this school. A xenogender is essentially just series metaphors, usually paired with an aesthetic, which serve to help someone describe their experience with gender beyond the language we most commonly use. Unfortunately you cant have one or the other, but, besides validity debates.. Theres no real need persay when a xenogender is valid or not. I identify as non-binary and use they/he/ze pronouns. Ringo: I have a xenogender! Saying your gender is a cat is harmful to genderfluid, NB and trans people (also me). Si contina navegando, consideramos que acepta su uso. They are completely valid and do not damage the trans community. Some members felt as though even if they couldnt understand it, they should respect it, but others thought it was a disgrace and made the community look like a joke. I use neopronouns for several reasons: Im cat gender and using cat related pronouns help me feel more comfortable. Xenogender Wiki is a FANDOM Lifestyle Community. It's valid to prefer xeno pronouns. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. That doesnt exclude genders that fall under Xenogender, Aesthetigender, etc. As stated by mayoclinic.org Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics. Friendly reminder that under current ToS, we don't allow invalidation of anyone's identity, be they standard or esoteric. This means that on AVEN y list of xenogenders carrd? Its not real! Xenogender isn't defined in relation to "female" or "male" (the binary genders), but by other kinds of ideas that most people don't think of as having to do with gender. Some neopronouns that are seen as more socially acceptable include xe/xem/xyr, ze/hir/hirs, or ey/em/eir, but the great thing about neopronouns is that they can really be whatever you want, and you can identify as several. I get that everybody thinks they're cringe of whatever. Anyway, I think the whole MOGAI trend that happened years ago on tumblr of just making a bunch of hypothetical genders up whether or not anyone actually identified with them was classic internet absurdity, but there's a difference between that and people actually identifying that way. WebXenogenders are not transphobic and they are completely valid and real. Since 2017, a flag dedicated to this gender identity also exists: an arc of a circle on colored bands, the center of which is marked by a star corresponding to the astronomical sign of the asteroid Iris. Neopronouns recently became a topic to debate on the social media platform TikTok. TMBR is a place where we can discuss controversial topics freely and explore various ideas and opinions. We don't invest ourselves in the business of other people's specific sexual activity, so we don't look at those demographically like we do with the basic orientations (hetero-, homo-, bi-, a-). An identity that is increasingly attractive, whether online, where the hashtag #xenogender currently has 30 million views on TikTok , or in the most tangible reality: in Greece, the 1st edition of the Narthex cybermedieval festival where xenogenders who identify with video game avatars gathered. In more focused discussions about individual variation and experience we can and do, and I think the same goes for xenogender. You arent laying out a premise. Are we all too cowardly to make the post that will get it locked? (ex. Xenogenders are to mock the LGBTQIA+ community.Also another problem is they are extremely offensive to neurodivergent people. Hey everyone, I stumbled across this website while looking for a good neopronouns explanation and really like this one. A gender can not be described as sugery" or playfull". Didn't everyone everywhere simultaneously agree that "xenogenders" are a stupid concept and collectively agreed to simply ignore it? if you dont believe its valid, youre being queerphobic and ableist. Of those who do, most will be fleeting - like as a part of a freshman psychology course or responding to a Reddit post. "I don't get why I would associate my mind with me body and the organs I have that not everybody does; I feel like my sense of self is better represented by [external thing] than femininity or masculinity" seems like a reasonable statement to make. Not really important I guess. if you criticise any of their "genders" then get ready to be called Transphobic. Oil continued, How someone chooses to identify doesnt affect you. See the difference? I fully support and get the idea of being trans - feeling like you were born in the wrong body. Doesn't this hurt real trans people? Transphobes dont hate us because we use neopronouns, they hate us because were trans., Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics. It links with aesthetic gender or smt similar, which most of them arent even NB and use it for aesthetic, the purpose of being cute. 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