Host virtual events and webinars to increase engagement and generate leads. WebVideo Shows Penn State Fraternity Pledges Final Hours Before Hazing Death. Not calling an ambulance for an unconscious, dying person, and instead beating that person up, sounds pretty evil to me. ", As NPR's Bill Chappell reported at the time, Penn State Student's Hazing Death Was No Accident, Grand Jury Says, 'Horror' Of Student's Hazing Death At Penn State Sparks Change. The new allegations mark a significant escalation in a case that has taken several twists since the Dauphin County coroner initially ruled Piazza's death an accident. After investigators determined the security footage was manually deleted, they then sent the tapes to the FBI, whose agents recovered the video, authorities said in a statement. A place to post an opinion you accept may be flawed, in an effort to understand other perspectives on the issue. While this event is horribly tragic, I don't think it serves anyone to blame the other fraternity members and act like Timothy piazza had no involvement. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. BELLEFONTE, Pa. -- (WNEP) -- Investigators say a Penn State fraternity pledge's slow death at a frat party was caught on cameras. Updated on: November 13, 2017 / 2:58 PM PennLive.com reporter Christian Alexandersen was also at the hearing. Other security camera footage from inside the sprawling frat house shown during previous hearings depicted frat members alternatively holding Piazza down or strapping him to a backpack to keep from rolling over and choking while he appeared to be unconscious. Some time later, Piazza regained consciousness and rolled off the couch. / CBS News. He had ruptured spleen and was bleeding internally to the point that he was in class IV hemorrhagic shock (the worst level of shock caused by blood loss) by the time he made it to the hospital. If you don't think 18-21 year olds should be legally responsible for their actions, fine, but we're also going to have to take away their rights to vote, drive, hold a job, etc. Before emergency assistance arrived, the brothers wiped blood from his face and attempted to dress him, but his body was too rigid to successfully put clothes on. Twelve new fraternity members now face charges in the investigation. One brother tried to convince the others that Piazza needed immediate medical help, but was ignored. And to answer your last questionno I would not file charges or sue. To request removal of your name from an arrest report, submit these required items to arrestreports@patch.com. At one point, the men can be seen trying to dress him, but struggling against the stiffness that had set into his limbs, grand jurors said. One fraternity member is accused of deleting the video as police were seeking the footage. Not calling 911 immediately is not Piazza fault. Sign up for free Patch newsletters and alerts. He can't protect himself from the alcohol and the injuries, and it goes on and on until he dies, and then they don't render aid at that point. Not one person thought to take him to the hospital??? Sometimes to excess. Scicchitano said one of the members of Beta Theta Pi already facing charges in connection to the death of engineering student Tim Piazza deleted the footage, but he did not identity that individual in court, PennLive.com reports. Ten other students are facing related charges of reckless endangerment, tampering with evidence and providing alcohol to minors, among other charges. Piazza's death "was the direct result of traumatic brain injuries," according to the forensic pathologist on the case. He drank an incredibly high amount of alcohol and fell down the basement stairs and was unconscious. He was later Upload, livestream, and create your own videos, all in HD. Ok, so they are already violating the alcohol-free provision. Two of the defendants waived their rights to a hearing. The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. She issued several tweets about the surveillance tapes, calling the footage "grueling" to watch. Mystery Surrounds Mom-of-3 Found Dead After Failing to Pick up Children from School, Police Ask for Patience, Missing Nevada Woman Stopped Contact with Family, Police Seek Tips, Unknown Man Seen Using Missing Georgia Mans Credit Card in Baton Rouge. WebSurveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. I know; I sound callous, and my view is wayyyy different than other peoples'. I don't see our legal system as something to be used for extracting a pound of flesh. State College Police Detective David Scicchitano said he believed he knew the identity of the person who deleted the footage, PennLive.com reported. Well, we beat him and slapped him, what more could we do? No one called for help until late the next morning, and the New Jersey native died Feb. 4. Piazza, of Lebanon, New Jersey, died from injuries he sustained as one of 14 pledges at a bid acceptance party that included a hazing ritual known as the gauntlet, requiring participants to drink wine, beer and vodka in rapid succession. An example should be made of that chapter, so I would say his parents are more like the dicks that are trying to fuck the assholes that just want to shit all over everything, IMO. The school has also changed the way it regulates fraternities and sororities, assuming more control over disciplinary procedures. That's illegal. In May, a grand jury revised that assessment, calling it "the direct result of encouraged reckless conduct." What is he responsible for? They used this power not to keep him safe but to encourage him to drink to the point where even if he hadn't injured himself he would have almost certainly been hospitalized or died of alcohol poisoning. And you actually say that "people need to take responsibility for their actions" yet excuse these animals? Piazza was a freshman taken in by the frat, the senior frat members are both stupid and evil. The prosecutors' case has not progressed evenly since May, as the accused have said Parks Miller is overreaching with her allegations. I guess I have just been annoyed with the parents claiming that if it was someone else, Tim would have saved them and walked out. Sixteen Penn State fraternity brothers were in court Monday, all facing charges connected with the death of a pledge. Press J to jump to the feed. WebOne of the 18 Beta Theta Pi members charged with the Feb. 4 death of 19-year-old Tim Piazza removed everything from the basement camera two days after his alcohol-related This may actually explain why we disagree so much Edit 2: do you have a personal connect to this? The fraternity was supposed to be alcohol-free after a suspension in 2009. She lost a primary election in the spring and is set to leave office in January. Graphic video footage of the night Piazza died was shown for the first time in court Monday. I guess that is what has really skewed my opinion of this whole thing. Over the rest of that evening, fraternity members were recorded pouring liquid on him, strapping a loaded backpack to him and taking other ineffective or counterproductive steps to deal with his condition. Comedy Cabaret at the Temperance House, Open House - Check Out The NEW Total Fitness & Golf Gym, Delaware Valley University Hosts Raising Livestock on a Small Farm Community Course This Spring, Protect Your Home from Ticks with Yard Guard from Viking Pest, Larry P. Pelullo, Retired Carpenter with over 30 years Experience, Check Out These Homes For Sale In Newtown, Bucks LVW Webinar To Explore "How School Boards Impact Us All". Former attorney Alex Murdaugh's double murder trial continues with closing arguments: Watch live. He too live-tweeted. His brain had swollen to the point that roughly half of his skull had to be removed to relieve the pressure. Waiting for your permission to load facebook comments. UhhI'm not affiliated with penn state or a fraternity in general. Now we get into our first example of negligence, when they blew off the brother who could tell something was wrong a short time after the accident. I'm not involved in this situation, and I'm not a bad guy. In the fourth day of a preliminary hearing in the Centre County Courthouse in Bellefonte, State College Police Detective David Scicchitano testified that authorities recovered a surveillance camera from the basement of the fraternity house, but footage prior to Feb. 6 had vanished. All of the footage from a basement camera prior to Feb. 6 had been deleted before authorities had a chance to obtain it. He is then carried up, while unconscious, by a group of frat brothers who then proceed to "slam" him, slap him, pour water on him and even throw a shoe at him, according to accounts of the footage. More:16 students face judge in Penn State hazing death of Timothy Piazza, More:'He looked like a corpse': Video shown of Penn State pledge after fatal injuries. Ed Gilmartin was there. He was just trying to join an organization. (Abby Drey/AP). i have to say, if this were just a random person from the general public, they seriously wouldnt be this invested to make a throwaway account to make someone change their simpleton mind and then it results in you fighting to hang onto every tooth and infected hang nail (points which are not at all logical, and seriously only are one a sociopathic, guilty person would be rationalizing) Youre throwing shit to a wall and hoping it sticks, desperate for a new defense to use in court since the basement footage has now been released. When you get somebody into an environment where they have seemingly no way out, where every authority figure is encouraging or forcing you to drink and nobody would help you, say, leave and go home safely, it is extremely difficult to turn down drinks. The judge on Monday evening granted the defense's request to continue the hearing, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported. He is estimated to have had a blood alcohol content (BAC) of nearly .40 on the night of the hazing incident. 16 students face judge in Penn State hazing death of Timothy Piazza, 'He looked like a corpse': Video shown of Penn State pledge after fatal injuries, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Contributing: The Associated Press, John Bacon, USA TODAY. The revelation came on Day 4 of the preliminary hearing for the fraternity brothers facing charges ranging from involuntary manslaughter to furnishing alcohol to minors. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. According to reporters at the hearing, Scicchitano said the fraternity brothers were acting like "drill sergeants" and yelling at the pledges to drink. The results of an investigation into surveillance video of the fraternity Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Newly recovered security camera footage from inside a Penn State fraternity house showed a pledge had been given at least 18 drinks in less than 90 minutes, investigators said Monday in announcing dozens of new charges related to the pledges death. The video captured the night 14 pledges, including Piazza, were taken through a speed-drinking event called "the gauntlet." WebTim Piazza may have been somewhat complicit in the hazing. (Patrick Carns/Patrick Carns). before we start calling them 'kids' and letting them off the hook for killing people. The grand jury concluded that, after Piazza was taken to the hospital, there was an active attempt to conceal evidence of the hazing and underage drinking, from deleting text messages to admitting to discussing erasing surveillance video. How is that murder? His tragic death made national headlines after it was revealed that frat members didn't alert authorities until about 12 hours after he fell down the stairs. Seems like they don't realize he chose to be involved in this group and event. Susan Snyder, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer, was at the hearing. Its unclear whether the camera was in a position to capture one of Piazzas several falls during a night of drinking. They caused his condition, then exacerbated it, then refused to get him needed care immediately. There was no premeditation, no joy in his suffering, I see more evil in the dad who wants to take revenge on the men in the fraternity to be honest. Tim Piazza may have been somewhat complicit in the hazing. But the hazing was not the unconscionable part of what happened, and it wasn't what led to his death. They bought and served absurd amounts of alcohol to a minor. after reading this entire thread and especially all of your answers OP im getting the impression you are either someone (a brother/pledge) who was there that night, or someone with some type of intimate frat involvement to the case and timothy. These were supposed to be his friends. What led to his death was the negligent behavior of the fraternity members after Tim was first injured. Pledges were made to chug vodka and beer. The video includes Piazza consuming nearly 20 drinks in 90 minutes. The grand jury document referenced surveillance footage other than the recently recovered video. The district attorney's office in Centre County, Pennsylvania, has announced new charges in the death of Tim Piazza. In this attempt he managed to hit himself in the head several more times and knock himself out again. Over the last several months we listened to defense arguments centered around victim blaming or how could the defendants have known they were putting someone seriously at risk since no one died before, as if they were entitled to one free death, or the catch all argument of, We dont know,' he said. This story has been shared 102,156 times. Also Thursday, an attorney for Luke Visser, one of the defendants charged in Piazzas death, revealed what he claimed to be new information indicating that Piazza may have tripped over a girl sitting on a stairwell leading to the basement suggesting it was more of an accident than the result of drunkenness. Twenty-six people now face charges in the case. I posted here because I realized my opinion on the incident is different then just about anyone elses. Piazza, a 19-year-old sophomore from New Jersey, died after tumbling down a flight of stairs and fracturing his skull during an alcohol-fueled pledge ritual at the Beta Theta Pi house on Feb. 4. Parks Miller, whos leaving office at the end of the year, then refiled many of the charges. Gabe Gutierrez, an NBC News correspondent, said via Twitter that the courtroom was silent as prosecutors played video of Piazza dying. The hearing, which is expected to enter a fifth day Friday, will determine whether there is enough evidence to send the case to trial. Authorities based the new charges on the Beta Theta Pi basement surveillance footage deleted by a fraternity member following the 19-year-old's death. "Not going to lie, this footage is pretty tough to watch," Alexandersen tweeted, around the same time Snyder reported the courtroom was silent. Advertisement WebThe Discovery of Timothy Piazzas Unconscious body is disturbing. Defense attorneys have challenged Scicchitano and claimedprosecutors are zeroing in onselect portions of the video. Sucks that you have to come in basically bullying me because we disagree. Dr. Harry Kamerow said he used video evidence and medical records to establish that Piazza's fall at 11:22 p.m. down the basement steps caused his fatal brain and spleen injuries. Pledges showed signs of intoxication, and Piazza had to be helped to a couch. Piazza's parents, Jim and Evelyn of Hunterdon County, New Jersey, left the courtroom before the prosecution began airing the footage, narrated by Scicchitano. WebNewly-recovered footage shows Beta Theta Pi members forcing 18 drinks on Piazza and other pledges in less than an hour and a half on the night he sustained the injuries that There's fault to go around there. "However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.". Piazza was part of it, and idolizing him can only make this horrible situation worse. Her successor Bernie Cantorna has not said whether or not he intends to proceed with the prosecution.". In partnership with Penn State's former Beta Theta Pi fraternity house now sits empty. In the early morning of February 3, 2017, Piazza tried to get up, but once he reached a standing position, fell backwards. "As it relates to my client, we didn't hear a lot. 1894 shipwreck found in Lake Huron, confirming "powerful, tragic story", Bipartisan Senate group unveils rail safety bill in response to Ohio derailment, What to know about Shigella bacteria as drug-resistant strain spreads, Top Dems push Fox News to stop promoting "propaganda" about 2020 election, New charges in Penn State University fraternity death, Flying bug found at Walmart turns out to be rare Jurassic-era insect, Top McCarthy aide, House Oversight chair each met with Ashli Babbitt's mother. Look at the definition of murder..I don't like over the top hyperbole and I think that's why this case has bothered me in terms of coverage. From trying to beat him awake, to abandoning him, to covering up the evidence, everything about this shows criminal negligence. Piazza eventually staggered to the basement where he fell down a flight of stairs. Reach him at: justin@cbsnews.com. Speaking of which, downvotes don't change views! I don't think it serves anyone to blame the other fraternity members and act like Timothy piazza had no involvement. Roughly twelve hours after his initial fall, emergency services were summoned but not informed that the fall had occurred the night before. Prosecutors have filed new charges against members of the Beta Theta Pi fraternity at Penn State, alleging that newly recovered video shows them serving pledge Timothy Piazza excessive quantities of alcohol. A court affidavit said one of the brothers, Braxton Becker, purposely deleted the basement footage two days after Piazza died but the FBI was able to recover it. WebPenn State sophomore Tim Piazza spent his final hours dragging his bruised and bloodied body across a beer-soaked fraternity house floor, stumbling down stairs into iron railings, Now it's not just the prior negligence, but further abuse of an injured, unconscious person. Surveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. Everybody so far has been talking about either how the parent's actions are justifiable in their grief, or that the fraternity is responsible for intentionally trying to cover up his injuries and delaying medical treatment after he fell. Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. He later tried once more to descend the basement stairs, but fell down again, and remained at the base of the stairs until several of the fraternity brothers discovered him several hours later behind the bar in the basement, cold and breathing rapidly. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Graphic video footage of the night Piazza Any one of these people could have stayed with him kept him from doing further damage to himself. They are grieving parents looking for something to explain why their son has been killed. hey, how about you let me know what you would do if you were Piazza except instead of dying, you live and you must live the rest of your life unable to move from the neck down? They are the sole reason he is dead. 2023 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Satellite Information Network, LLC. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Thanks for contacting us. When he finally woke up and tried to roll off, they slammed him back down, slapped him in the face and poured beer on him. The Beta Theta Pi house was shut down shortly thereafter and remains empty. "I believe the charges will be bound over. WebVideo deleted from Penn State fraternity camera in Timothy Piazza case, police say Susan Miller USA TODAY 0:00 1:58 Video on a camera inside a Penn State fraternity house He suffered severe head trauma and a ruptured spleen from the fall. What happened to him after that, is entirely on the willful and blatant negligence of his frat brothers. Piazza died Feb. 4 at a hospital after consuming what authorities said was a dangerous amount of alcohol, as well as sustaining severe injuries to his head and abdomen. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. Watch Live: Closing arguments begin in double murder trial of Alex Murdaugh, Ex-Georgia star Jalen Carter was racing in deadly crash, arrest warrants allege, Watch Live: Garland testifies amid ongoing special counsel investigations, Fiery train crash in Greece kills dozens, many of them students. Where Piazza is not at fault, where the parents have a right to be upset, and why this is a major issue at all is that the fraternity didn't seek timely medical attention that could have saved his life. He did not reveal the name of the member in question. "That's the evidence that the commonwealth now has.". This is especially true when the victim is a minor who was not used to binge drinking, and even more especially true after he's already too drunk to make good decisions. This is a footnote from the CMV moderators. Warner Bros. Entertainment | PennLive.come reports State College Police Detective David Scicchitano was on the witness stand for nearly 10 hours during the hearing. US House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has defended giving about 40,000 hours of surveillance footage from the insurrection on January 6 2021 to Fox News host Tucker Carlson. First published on November 13, 2017 / 12:53 PM. Again, these are people who WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM BEING IN THAT CONDITION who were more concerned about the possible consequences for themselves than saving the life of a badly injured pledge. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I haven't liked the idolization of him, and how the parents have basically ripped on everyone that their son has ever known. He seems to want to use it that way, and is manipulating the media to do so. This dental device was sold to fix patients' jaws. The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. I mean, based on your logic that would be completely selfish and out of line of you. Over the course of 42 more minutes, the video footage shows them hauling Piazza back upstairs, shaking him, and attempting to prop his limp body up on the couch. Of the accused young men, eight face involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment and hazing, among other charges; four face reckless endangerment and hazing, among other charges; and six face charges for evidence tampering. Beta Theta Pi fraternity house at Penn State. In this state of intoxication he fell on the basement stairs of the house and was knocked unconscious. everything that happened after he regained consciousness (although it sounds like he may have already been in debilitating pain by this point) could have been prevented if they had just given 2 shits about a person that they called a brother. Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. Normal people would seeing this and immediately call for help. 2023 Vimeo.com, Inc. All rights reserved. I mean, that's the whole point of this subreddit. The grand jury that investigated Piazzas death, video footage and preliminary hearing testimony painted a disturbing picture of his final night inside the fraternity house. He fell down drunk, which initially knocked him out so that much is his fault. The legal system is mostly consequentialist simply because letting judges and juries decide which defendants are 'nice people at heart' and let them go, is exactly how lynch mobs and rich, pillar of the community rapists got away with a slap on the wrists or less. Piazza died as a "direct result of the extremely reckless conduct of members of the Beta fraternity," aided by the permissive atmosphere fostered by Penn State's Interfraternity Council, the grand jury found. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. A fraternity is supposed to be like a second family. He said it was one of the fraternity members facing charges in connection with Piazza's death, but he did not reveal the name in court andsaid the footage disappeared before police could collect it. Piazza subsequently stumbled toward the basement steps, then fell down them. Another 11 frat members are already facing similar charges. Please enter valid email address to continue. Piazzadied in ahospital Feb. 4, about 30 hours after a bid acceptance partyin which the former high school football player fell repeatedly. It's a horrible idea for any crime, this one included. Please enable JavaScript to experience Vimeo in all of its glory. But the hazing was not the unconscionable part of what happened, and it wasn't what led to his death. He was estimated to have had a blood-alcohol level several times the legal limit for adult drivers. Prosecutors claim fraternity members But he didn't die because he got knock out drunk; he died because of the head trauma and later mishandling of the situation by people who had claimed to be there to look out for and support him. Gary DiBileo Jr. of Scranton left the Centre County Courthouse without knowing when he'll be back and if the charges against him will go to trial. Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller charged 10 new defendants, reinstated charges against two people whose cases had been dropped and added counts against five who had previously been charged for actions surrounding the Feb. 4 death of Beta Theta Pi pledge Tim Piazza. Fraternity members referred to the pledge ceremony as an "obstacle course" in text messages, according to a report on the grand jury's investigation. This was men who intended to force-feed lethal amounts of alcohol into other young men. The reason why hazing works, and why hazing charges exist, is because peer pressure is an extremely powerful motivator. Eight fraternity brothers are facing manslaughter charges in connection with Piazza's death. Parks Miller said in a written statement that the basement video clearly depicts a continuation of the hazing activity previously captured upstairs, including giving pledges beer, wine and vodka. I sincerely doubt you know his parents or knew Timothy enough to espouse his lack of accountability. "He falls, gets injured, spleen, head, repeatedly. They waited an additional 40 minutes before summoning help, police say. Inspire employees with compelling live and on-demand video experiences. He got up and tried to reach the front door but fell head first into it, knocking himself unconscious again. Piazza's parents have spoken out poignantly about the incident. 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