All Irish whiskey is great. Have an OHaras Red and a Jamison on me. Bushmills does not, to my certain knowledge, employ Catholics as certain industries/companies are, let us say, reserved for one tribe or another in the Black North. He said Jameson trucks it up there when Jameson is at capacity, and Bushmills has the resources to do it. I believe that Germany is the largest market for Tullamore Dew, followed by many of the Eastern European countries. Then I must be the luckiest Arab in all o Ireland!. If you ever try a more exclusive blend or a single malt, dont dare poison it with ginger ale . It is either good or it is not. I live in a small town in Texas, I am Catholic and I am treated as if I am a leper. The whole time I was in Dublin (or even while I was Belfast) I never once heard anyone say anything about any whiskey having a religion. Whiskey is Irish, whatever brand (or religion), followed by Americans (as in bourbon whiskey etc.). Protestant - to 'protest'. I grew up in NYC with this popular myth engrained on my conciousness. It all comes down to politics in the grand scheme of things, be you Yank or Paddy. [15], More recently, in 2015, Powers Signature Release won a gold medal in the category Irish Single Pot Still Whiskey at the Irish Whiskey Awards. Cant comment on the long term contract in Cork as I hadnt heard that, but I assume they have some sort of get out clause if there is a contract. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. Usually King James Version. I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. I have a bottle of Midleton stashed away for a special occasion and I keep a bottle of Kilbeggan for my go-to whiskey. In whiskey world Northern Ireland is considered to be part of the irish island so no reason to judge Bushmills to be protestant or not. Yep, this goes back to when Bushmills was still part of IDL (Irish Distillers Limited) and owned by Pernod. I serve it in Texas to my St. Patricks day guests and several times a year otherwise. When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. That was in fact untrue. Funny how these things work out, innit? Have a good one. Tullamore Dew is aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry cask type, whereas Jameson is aged in oak barrels. and Rangers F.C., the two largest Scottish football clubs sometimes referred to as the Old Firm, whose support base is traditionally predominantly Catholic and Protestant respectively. I am for Bushmills especially sprinkled over banana bread. . The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . A bunch of bigoted b######s arguing over the religion of whiskey. Im thankful for everyone who, New York City! ** I grew up thinking I was half Czech and half Irish Catholic. ID was purchased by Pernod Ricard in 1988 and they sold off Bushmills to Diageo in 2005. I still live there. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. Spent the rest of the week getting to know Irish whiskey & came home w/ small bottles of Irish Whiskeys I wasnt sure I could get in the US so I could continue my coyage of discovery at home. I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. Look for a new addition to the landscape, The Irishman Original Clan & Single Malt. Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. It was also the period during which the Roman Catholic Church, as an entity distinct from other . However, its all moot now as the French reap the profits in the end , Jameson, Bushmills, Tullemore, Red Breast, Powers. Though it is good to remember that Bushmills & Jameson were selling about even worldwide up until the mid/late 1990s, before Pernod decided to put all of its eggs in the Jameson basket. Besides, Id have to prove I can fill a job where the company cant find a local. The spelling of whisk(e)y is actually a bit up in the air as far as that pesky e goes. Youd probably get glassed if you asked the question in certain places in Ireland or Scotland. Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. Do not place them next to each other. As for the religious differences, its always been easier for those not in the mess (in the US, England) to say and perpetuate things over that of those who have to suffer the views and manipulations of outsiders. And let us not forget the new cask finishes of The Tyrconnell. Powers Gold Label is the best-selling Irish whiskey in its native Ireland. Irish whiskey comes in two forms, Catholic and Protestant. CATHOLICISM vs PROTESTANTISM!! But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. I am pretty sure that if you visited the Guinness brewery in Dublin your guide would not have mentioned the fact about the companys discrimination against Catholics, let alone advise on boycotting it. Never once was I presented with a this is the north, or this is Ireland like many seem to believe in the States. The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. Not what religion you think a whiskey holds. Powers is readily available in the Balto/Wash area. I hear that William Grant & Sons has a contract with LDI to have Tullamore Dew produced in Cork until 2025, so they will have to either be creative to release anything from the new distillery or have some mighty fine aged whiskey come the latter half of the next decade. We were servedcorned beef and cabbage with California wine and a shot of Paddy cut with Baileys after dinner. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. There were licenses to distill granted in and around the Bushmills area in 1608. Thank you everyone for the new rea, Finally home from three wonderful days in Berlin a, When life gives you fresh passionfruits. I visited Bushmills Distillery, and they were bottling both Bushmills and Jameson in the same facility!! Corvallisbarman is half right. I think the Middleton hurt my wallet the most. Jameson Irish Whiskey is produced in Midleton, Ireland, though the original home of the brand is in Dublin. Also, what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon??? These ideas still run deep and there are still a lot of untrue things people believe about Catholics. Interesting and often amusing reading of so many perspectives. : ). You are a great person to forgive and forget the horrible crime that were personal committed against you. The young fella attending to the store asked if I wanted Catholic or Protestant then he placed a two bottles of Bushmills on the counter one plain and one Black label. The regular is fine; the Black Bush is nice if maybe too refined for me when I want a dram of Irish. I said, so youre Protestant? I had the 15yr old Kilbeggan during a visit at the Cooley distillery a few years back, and it was damn tasty. Your email address will not be published. Now, its important to note that the Scottish Reformation occurred in 1560, so odds are in favor of the founder of the Jameson distillery, being Scottish, was a damn Protestant. [1] Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. Go figure . Utter nonsense. Ive always preferred the non-woodsy irish Whiskeys so Powers, Knappogue, Red Breast, and recently the Spots have been my drink of choice and never was a fan of bushmills. Tullamore Dew, Powers, Paddy, Midleton Very Rare, Green Spot, and . Cake Powers gold label is absolute shit. I am Catholic and Slovak and do not care what the British have done to the Irish. I must say I enjoyed reading this thread, and I had no intention of posting until I reached #58. Clean, fresh. Im also a bit confused on the cheap part. Bushmills, on the other hand, was officially licensed in 1608 by King James I (of Bible fame) and despite of its location deep in the heart of Protestant country (and this next bit is straight from my local Bushmills rep, so take it or leave it) has a Catholic as a master distiller. Having just visited Ireland, I spent time in both the north and the ROI. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. But it was mentioned in passing at several rural pubs in co. Mayo and Sligo that Bushmills was loyalist swill, all in good fun Im sure but its not limited to plastic paddies. Brands! Currently rumored to be building a new distillery, Well, I already put my two cents in well up the thread, but here is some topical good news for the distillery in the North2013 Spirit of the Year: Bushmills http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Having just had this discussion with my buddy who was bribed with a bottle of Bush to express his love of it via twitter (which he refused, good man that he is) I have to say the following-. Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. Irish for the whiskey Tim, I made a great Manhattan variation last night with 2oz Powers Gold Label, 1oz Carpano Punt E Mes and a dash or two of Angostura (regular, not orange), stirred up with a cherry garnish and enjoyed it very much indeed. I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. Whiskey is Catholic. In a TALL glass.one shot of Although, when faced with only Jameson and Bushmills, I will usually go for the Bushmills. Im not sure that it says anything more than that it isnt a strictly American argument. neat, I take Jameson if Bushmills is not available. I was born in buncrana moved to Derry then to Belfast and am now living in the uk Im Catholic and I must say I prefer Bushmills to Jamesons although Ive been a life Long fan of Jamesons it doesnt matter whether your Hun or teag drink what you like dont bring sectarianism into it itll spoil the taste. Thanks, Mike. And, fact fans, the space-age Middleton distillery in the far south makes the neutral alcohol for the blends produced at Bushmills up North. Most of those comments are from Americans who watch a lot of television, Im afraid. Im not surprised this thread is still going strong. From the outset of the Reformation, Luther and his associates had fiercely proclaimed the Christian's obligation to "be subject to the governing authorities," asserting, with Saint Paul, that "the powers that be are ordained by God . So by your logic it is fair to say that Every time you raise a glass of American Bourbon you are in essence raising a glass to an Native American losing his land (and in MOST cases his life) to British/American rule! Love Black Bush but Jamesons Gold Reserve gets my vote as the very best Ive had. The Protestant Reformation was a religious reform movement that swept through Europe in the 1500s. Along with a fellow sipper we have over most of the Irish brands listed here in this thread as part of a 30+ years Christmas gift exchange and tasting session. One happens to be located in a majority Protestant area and one located in a majority Catholic area, big deal! The date 1608 listed all over the Bushmills bottle is not only the date The King of England allowed distilling to take place in Northern Ireland it is also the date the plantation of Ulster began. Mmmm..Middleton distillery. Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . I drink it often . If I was the kind of person who blogwhored, I would http://tinyurl.com/d92kdl I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. [8] After expansion, output at the distillery rose to 700,000 gallons per annum, and by the 1880s, had reached about 900,000 gallons per annum, at which point the distillery covered over six acres of central Dublin, and had a staff of about 300 people.[3][1]. Were not bothered by any of that old bullshit now. 2nd line was bottling Jameson. Or champagne to protest Frankish aggression against the Gallo Romans. I agree with Robert McHardy above. I was wondering this myself. The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. Ill take one next time Im out. Asked the guide about it. This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. But until 2005 BOTH distilleries were owned by Pernod-Ricard. So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. Thanks all for your comments. The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. best bang for your buck for a sipping whisky. As someone who drinks her whiskey with ginger ale and a slice of lime, I definitely vote Powers over any other. As for my preference, I tend to like the lighter Bushmills as its the first Irish whiskey I discovered years ago, and Ive certainly enjoyed my share of Jameson from time to time. Fathers side Ulster.ancestors to America ca 1719. But NONE of this has anything to do with Whiskey brands and everything to do with prejudices. I do live in a Hicktown. Catholic powers praised the killings, and the French Protestant cause saw a wave of exile and conversions. Arthur Guinness was definitely Protestant And a Unionist. He was adamantly against Home Rule as well. Your grandfather may have lost friends back in the early 20th century to the Black & Tans and im sorry to hear that, but guess what? John Jameson was Pentecostal. It is the oldest licensed distillery by 200 years and was once owned by a Belfast barman who get this was a teetotaller and secretly wrote religous tracts damning the Demon Drink! I dont generally buy it, but Ill drink it without complaint. The fact that this blog has been going for so very long tells me the myth is true. In side-by-side STEEL CAGES!! But in Falls Road and Shankill Road it is not really about religion, is it? Ive enjoyed most Irish whiskey Ive sampled, including Powers, Tully, and Bushmills. Back to Top. Please remember quite a few of you presidents from Grant to Clinton descended from this part of the world. Well Kentucky used to be part of the state of Virginia, but that doesnt mean you blame the whiskey for something that happened in that state. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. To comment on a few posts above: I am of Irish descent and remember hearing the Protestant Whiskey comments as a kid growing up in New England(I am 50 now). It's been going on for thousands of years across the globe. In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. Oh and Bushmills was NOT licensed to distill in 1608Thats marketing Bullshit. It is the second-largest-selling brand of Irish whiskey globally, with sales of over 1,500,000 cases per annum as of 2020. The Ambassador had both Jameson and Bushmills on offer. In 1841, John Power, grandson of the founder was awarded a baronetcy, a hereditary title. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. For this reason, Bushmills has a bigger flavor, while Jameson has a much lighter flavor. Whereas Bushmills is seen (by some) as British because it is located in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK)and there is a political bias against it from some quarters. As a bartender years ago in Chicago I was told When stocking your liquor on the back of the bar. Sorry, but I have always loved them both. The other part is that Powers is for everyone else who just doesnt give a f**k. Drink what you drink and like what you like. The make up of the folks who work at Bushmills reflects the religous makeup of Northern Ireland roughly 40% Roman Catholic. I am definitively a black bush person but I was mentioning that while spending a lot of time in Ireland back in 1998, I saw, while visiting the Bushmills distillery, cartons of Jameson bottles on the bottling chain. My hat is off to you, for your spookily informative collection of posts. So, I figured then maybe I was Protestant Irish? The widely-accepted Irish-American version is that Jameson is Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is Protestant whiskey. In 1998 Bushmills was part of IDL, which owned all the whiskies coming out of Ireland with the excpetion of the few from Cooley. Those of us that still drink enjoy guinness as our beer As an irish american raised in an irish roman catholic family I can say this: It was a big hit with my fellow pilgrims. Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. 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Wexford, This page was last edited on 15 February 2023, at 23:21. You say What can one expect from people [Italians] who prefer grappa to the true Water of Life?, To continue the original theme of this thread religion IMO, grappa proves the existence of God. Help! It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! No coffee or anything green. Ive worked my way through nearly all the brands mentioned here and yet consistently return to my beloved Jameson 12 neat. Raised going to church every goddamned Sunday. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? The difference between the two has to do with the history of whiskey production in Ireland. Such days are long over, and Dew is rapidly making up the difference in sales, and has already overtaken Jamison in may countries in Europe. Whiskey takes no sides and is drank by all Catholic, Protestant, Hebrew, Atheist, etc. They are just businesses making whiskey. Thank you for the real-world experience! This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. Whiskey hasnt got a religion. West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. Eamonn, I thought all that was in the past and your country moved on? If you are not an active Catholic or Protestant. Click here to learn how to make this and other drinks for a slushie machine! and IRELAND vs SCOTLAND!! But The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. Hi and i take my hat off to Rob Mchardy answer 34..more people should be like you and the world would be a nicer place,anyway there is only one kind of whisky,the answer is in the spelling. Jameson was moved down to cork and is my distilled in Middleton, though I believe it is blended in Clondalkin, which is a Dublin suburb. You wouldnt really understand the depth of the situation. I think its alot worse than some backward hick town in yankeeville. Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! There are some amazing ones, FYI, I will leave it at that. [4] At the time of his visit, the distillery was home to five pot stills, two of which with capacities of 25,000 gallons, were amongst the largest ever built. Although I prefer my BUSHMILLS (Ref. I prefer the taste of Bushmills as its smoother where Jameson is a sharper taste. Bushmills is produced from 100% malted barley and grain whiskey (which it receives from the Midleton Distillery in Co. Cork where Jameson is made). Though in the end, I do really prefer Bushmills. In April I went to Jerusalem. It is about the spirit in the bottle, not in a church. Only if you are an idiot! Good evening All, Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. Over and out. Though Jameson is currently distilled in lovely Cork, it was actually founded and first distilled in Dublin. However, this is just a rumor, but I did hear it from a pretty reliable source in the industry back in Ireland. My South Side Irish Chicago Dad always told me that Jameson was the Catholic whisky and that Bushmills was the whiskey made by the damn Protestants. I often wonder why those Irish-Americans (usually in Irish bars of Boston or New York)who bring up this absurd and frankly bigoted discussion about Protestant & Catholic whiskey do not apply the same rule when it comes to drinking that most Irish of drinks Guinness. Bushmills, which refused to hire Catholics for many years has been actively trying to recruit Catholic employees of late, because the pay a wee tax penalty for lack of diversity in their workforce. As the rain pummels the ground here in the Pacific Northwest, a little window of blue sky nestled between two dark clouds in the neighboring distance makes me wish I were watching the rain fall from across a dark ocean, my little Caribbean fishing, Update! Seriously (though I actually was), I very much appreciated the original article, as I had had often wondered about that Jamesons = Catholic; Bushmills = Protestant thing. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. Have heard that Jim Beam (the new owners of the Cooley distillery) may discontinue production on contracted whiskies such as this in order to focus squarely on putting Kilbeggan up against Jameson, Bushmills & Tullamore Dew. You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. Ill have to try a Manhattan next. No matter where it is produced. @Matt: sorry to hear about religious intolerance in West Virginia but this is a discussion about the distilling history of Irish whiskey, not moonshine. catholic - from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning "universal". I was wondering when someone would ask this question. This was the time when Protestantism, through its definitive break with Roman Catholicism, arose to take its place on the Christian map. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. Bushmills, in turn, supplies the Midleton Distillery with single malt, which they use to make Tullamore DEW. Big thank you to reader Jonathan for providing this informative link about this. Privacy Policy | Spose its kinda like Rangers (hoik-phew) and Celtic FC really. @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. I can see you have been horribly scared by the conflict. @Burnsy and Andrew: I dont drink Guiness or Jameson (for those particular reasons) I drink Paddys or Powers Whiskey and Murphys Stout!!!! Fast forward 60 years. It has been my favorite since discovering it at the Buena Vista Cafe in San Francisco. Thanks for the clarification. Not that it really matters. Generally, it is a little less expensive than Jameson. Spent a crap of $$$ too so we could compare them all side by side. Fact: the worst atrocities in the Irish struggle for freedom were perpetrated by the Irish on each other and were not likely fueled by religious affiliation but the politics of the time. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. Potatoes for supper There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. The Roman Catholic Church responded to the Protestant challenge by purging itself of the abuses and ambiguities that had opened the way to revolt . lol. Really liked Knockando but I havent seen it around in some time. Tullamore Dew, rendered in most branding as Tullamore D.E.W. If I had a choice between Macallan 18 and Redbreast, think Id stay Irish. [8] In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.[8]. Theres a scene in season 3 of The Wire that went right over my head: McNulty asks the bartender for a Jameson, and the bartender asks is Bushmills ok? McNulty comes back with aw, thats Protestant whiskey! Grudgingly, he accepts, but asks for it neat. Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. [3], As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. and my green on July 12th. Ive been a big fan of Jamesons for many years, first drinking it when I was younger. 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