I think people should think about not only the effects on an intruder but also how they will feel after they have shot someone. This isnt a pride of ownership statement either. Ive loved the 45 since my Marine Corps days 50 years ago. .45 all the way for me. If you are special forces and you've resorted to using your pistol something has gone wrong. But, to add to your argument, I read about an encounter a couple of years back where a large man broke into a house and tried to attack the lady of the house and her child. The Banshee (as well as MP5, and a few others) use a mechanical delay that siphons off a fair bit of that recoil energy . Now look at your natural sight picture. i have used them on Coyotes and have seen the damage they are quite impressive. All the targets, conclusion is I guess if your shooting steel targets you better use ar500 steel if you don't want to destroy them with you .45, but for self defense And yet after reading all the evidence about the benefits of 9mm and I'm already heavily invested in 9mm (and happy with it) I'm still looking at buying a 1911 because it seems everyone feels like they have to own at least one. In short, we ALL live for ever: the only question is WHERE? When I went to the former, I added up all the ammo the conducted ballistic gel tests for and averaged them out. Provided that you live in a free state, 9mm in 135 HydraShoks or 147 V-Crowns or 147 HSTs hands down . /end of debate. In a 6 feet or less fire fight, if I have not subdued my attacker in 7 rounds. I don't want to carry anything bigger. and 45LC with one shot kills, both head shots. back in 1971, couple years ago! What metric are we using to judge us as the winners of ww2? I prefer the .40 S&W. Muzzle Energy. I use Hornady critical defense in both caliber. Most of my practice is at 10 yards, I do vary 10 feet to 20 yards. If you're hiking with bears, I presume they would protect you. The best home defense round of all time is a good old 12 gauge 2 3/4" low brass #6 shot. . It's about energy. But that does not make them the best. However, it's very reasonable to say that without American manufacturing, production, and agriculture the United Kingdom would have either fallen directly to the Germans or more likely would have been starved into submission. The average 9mm hollowpoint increased in energy by just 50 foot-pounds. But a 9mm is going to be nearly as effective as a .45 ACP in almost any circumstance if the shot is a hit to the chest or to a limb. Many shooters like to have the .45 ACP for home defense. The U.S. Navy was the last branch of service to go to the 9mm. Using this reasoning, you really dont lose much between a pocket gun like the Glock 43 and a full-size Glock 34. anything extra and your I do like shooting the .45acp But a 1911 commander as much as I love it, is harder to fit in my pocket. The problem is you can't always be sure of what's behind your target in a defensive situation. With the 14RD+1 extension handle mag that's my HP4573. In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.What is apparent from testing is that penetration stops increasing at impact speeds above about 1250-1300 fps. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. Offensive vs defensive role - as an offensive weapon the military choose the .45, as does most (all male) special operations units who have a choice. All will work to some level of effectiveness if you can hit your target. The downside of a Glock is that it is a Glock. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/03/9mm-40-45-acp-stopping-power/ It gives perspective from both sides. Loading 41 mag to pussycat loads could bring it down to cross over with the 10. While the 147-grain Federal HST expanded from 9mm (roughly .35cal) to on average 15mm or .61-inches, the .45 ACP expanded from (again, roughly) 11.5mm to 25mm (.45-inches to 1-inches). Anyway my grandfather died before his friend could teach me more. Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does holdone distinct advantage over the 9mmshallower penetration. I can't think of any tangible way life is better for Americans then it was prior to ww2. But really, the majority of gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm , not malicious intent ! Provided by Google Tag Manager to experiment advertisement efficiency of websites using their services. "Glock Perfection" is a MYTH. Where do I stand on the 9mm vs .45ACP debate? Thanks, Eric! And if a Riot Festival ;looms, I'll be riding in the back seat doing Green Beret carry of either my AK or AR, too. Spray and pray LOL. So the only real advantage 45 has is being inherently subsonic. My personal word: 9mm defensive brings it on par with 45acp and 40s&w ball - and that is what it needed to meet for it to outperform them since you also get the gains of capacity, less recoil, cheaper, and easier to train with. Maybe 45 has a bigger physical wound channel (Ill leave hydrostatic shock out of it, though the high speed footage of it in ballistics gel is compelling) and 9mm can go through a few extra boards so it evens out. Use what you can use the best. The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. More penetration does not mean more deadly. This is where accuracy matters. (Pew Pew Eric) Keep the awesome info coming, I love your emails and love your site! Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? Adam and Eve passed on the nature of sin (spiritual death) to the whole human race (see Romans 5:12-21), which is why we MUST be "born again of the spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God" (see John 3:3). by the FBI, the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: LEOs have a 20% to 30% accuracy rate in shootouts, so magazine capacity is important. Im not aware of any Humans that can dodge a round in under 1/2 second. Well it will make holes in bad guy/rabbid dog I am confident that I can stop attack with .22LR cause I can shoot 8 rounds in about 3 secconds center body mass, palm size group. To say that the 9mm Luger has been a success would be a severe understatement. Feel free to cite your real world experience that you keep vaguely referring to. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need. I like that you said that the 9mm pistol is ideal for open and concealed carry. When you have an over penetration or miss, which is likely in an adrenaline filled situation. Did four years of our fighting? Over penetration matters in public too. I like the Bodyguard, unlike a lot of people. Bullet Weight: 124gr. These are FBI statistics. Yes, 45ACP with defensive loads and .40 S&W with defensive loads do more terminal damage than 9mm with defensive loads. I have both I like the 45 but I love the 9 mm, Agreed. At home, 12ga and .45 ACP. I also like 9 millimeter Luger as an alternative long gun round over .22 Long Rifle as recoil sensitive people can shoot this and do more damage. Alternatively, the 9mms stopping power and smaller design make it ideal for open and concealed carry. And the one kept loaded in the bio-lock case bedside is the Colt's Government Issue, with 2 clips of Hornady Critical Defense alongside. You paint with a really broad brush, and worse yet you are wrong. So follow up shots are almost more important that the 1st shot all of these variables added up, the 9mm almost will always win the advantage One advantage that was mentioned I disagree with. The bullet doesn't matter if you can't shoot it with some accuracy. I may be considered old and not moving with the new trends, and all is good and dandy with the 9 mm and all the new ammo development, but if the .45 was good to stop the japs and the Krouts, in my book it is good to stop anyone who wants to harm me or my family. Critical duty allows barrier penetration. Both handguns have a huge following thanks to their popularity and success in the field. I bet if a poll was done on best semi auto handguns glock would win by a landslide, H&K by far . DoubleTap.com uses Speer Gold Dots and has some hot loads. So, the muzzle velocity of a 2-inch (51 mm) barrel is less than that of a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel, which is less than that of a 6-inch (150 mm) barrel. People don't. Its the perfect grab-and-go handgun to fire in close quarters where recoil wont pose such a problem. Golden saber .65 * Lighter gun -- For 9mm, some who prefer high capacity and easier recoil, I understand. Obviously we are talking relative speeds between bullets, not relative speeds between a car and a bullet. Thats where the .357 SIG comes into play. But thats still a bit of a long shot for a sidearm in a firefight. The angle was about 45 degrees because I feared complete penetration if fired 90 degrees. A lie of omission or a good-natured lie is still misinforming people. To actually answer the question of velocity by barrel length for 9mm Luger, and what the ideal barrel length is, namely for something like an AR-15 / AR-9 pistol or SBR, we'll discuss below. The velocities displayed are an average taken from six readings. That is why some like the 9mm short or .380. You may need to spray again so a larger can is a better bet if you can afford it. Add in the big, fat, slow, it would seem the only advantage of a 45 is if the target is in the room with you. After all, it was the official sidearm of the United States Armed Forces during two World Wars and remained so up until the 1980s. The 9mms lighter recoil makes it easier for follow-up shots. Then you said because of bullet technology, the .45acp has also improved. Plan. .308. If you are in a do or die situation and there is still one bad guy left you need to put down, and you only have one bullet left in your mag. All the tellings of limited knowledge. just stick to a pistol and out to a max of 16 P.C.C. So instead of boasting about something that never happened, recognize actual achievements like the almost unimaginable amount of vehicles weapons ammunition & food that we produced & ferried across the Atlantic to Pacific support and supply all of the Allies and our seemingly miraculous (midway) battles w/ Imperial Japan. Josh surely has the skills to know that the results of this test on recoil and accuracy are more important than VELO only. It's possible the man in the 80's wasn't being hit by modern 9mm expanding hollow-point defensive ammo. However, theres always something to be said for having really big bullets ready to deal with really big problems. It is heavy and rattles, and the bullet is fat, short, and slow." gear. The truth isneither gun has a total advantage over the other one, and your personal preferences will play a lot in determining which handgun is for you. For compact or subcompact pistols I tend to favor 9mm due to recoil considerations in the smaller, lighter guns, and the magazine capacity limitations. Any 9mm up to 147 will increase all the way up to 17 none increase beyond that. This stands in contrast to the results from my .45 ACP test, which was relatively unaffected. Go to a range and rent some guns until you find one that you can shoot well. With the right 357, I can achieve upwards of 1800fps in a 16 barrel. 9mm or 45acp? or 38 & 45 both. FMJ loads offer a rigid design for smooth penetration that doesn't deform on impact. Exactlyother than the special forces, army and specially trained police. If the latter is true, the .45acp is still a better round. I also like the .38 special. I agree with the writer, owning both and applying to individual situations and preferences is right on the mark. This is why K.E. Ballistics101.com's handgun testing is even more comprehensive and makes the .45 look even more powerful. The average civilian self defense shooting ends on average between 2-4 rounds. So muzzle energy is certainly real and a consideration; however, if hit in the eye with a .22LR versus hit in the arm with a 45 ACP means anything, worry about aiming over power. I also read several years ago about a young lad at home on his own, who had essentially been tasked with defending the home if anyone tried to break in. I'm going with the 45 because I'm also getting a Henry lever action rifle to match it. 45 bullets weigh a ton In a ammo can! You follow the directions on the can. or 44 Mag. In .45 acp, with 230 grain target rounds we started shooting the same targets we shot with the 9mm and 38 spl, well guess what That's more foolishness. Skeet shooting and duck hunting are his all-time favorite hobbies, but he's more than ready to talk your ear off about collecting and sport shooting as well. 45 is that it's so much easier to see the holes on a B27 target at 25 yards than 9mm holes. In the real world a single hit with a .45 will stop him. Departments around the country, in their never ending effort to do more with less, dont allow for practice hardly at all anymore. One of the GREAT things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY!! Not a Leo no need to shoot at distance or through material. It would be great if the test was run as a Designed Experiment (DOE), rather than just testing for on factor (muzzle velocity). I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. I prefer to carry a 45acp because it rips arms off bodies and a 12 gauge in the house. I consistently place the 45 rounds in an 8" area. I got rid of my .45 Auto carbine because I found it less effective beyond about 60 yards. No, youre not . I'm not an expert on injuries caused by ammo though. This is to ensure good expansion of defensive hollow point ammo, plus the Bodyguard gets lost in my pocket and slips sideways on me. @Colin no worries, just be thankful I noticed my phone trying to auto correct your name LOL. I'm not knocking the 9mm as a protection weapon. The gun is a S&W mdel 39 in 9mm with a 4" barrel. lbs. Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. I am really leaning toward the dog in a .45 it also comes in 9mm though for who likes that. Your life depends on it. You can hit him multiple times and he can keep coming at you. In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. More stopping power. The 45 exhibited less muzzle jump than my 9mm. This testing is very valuable to many 9 mm shooters. This added pressure makes felt recoil from the 40 considerably snappier and more difficult to control. Bullet drop tends to range from 10 to 12 at 100 yards. The velocity of the bullet is a more important determinant of muzzle energy. I may not always be there. And no a 45 will not knock you off your feet. Still, nothing like the feel of a nice heavy, ..45. customized to your liking as your arsenal 'anchor'. Just keepin it real, and saying I'd like to see the testing that backs up a claim the 9mm has "way higher" muzzle velocities than the .45 ACP. One of the BAD things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is the DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS!! to find out what would be the optimal barrel length. The pistol has a dropleg tactical holster that holds 4 extra 9RD mags. Best thing to do before buying, in my opinion, FWIW, I find the 45 recoil is "smoother", whereas 9 & 40 seem to be "sharper", making the muzzle flip harder to recover from. .45. It usually takes longer for lung and lower toro hits to produce the same results. I have the M&P Shied, Glock 30. He can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about hunting and recreational shooting. My picks for rifles were 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 x 51. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. Would I even ever use it? Some people carry a 124gr for summer and 147gr in cold climates where the BG might be wearing a Carhartt over sweaters, etc. I freeze. So that's another reason why you should get yourself a subnose. You think that you can outshoot a cop? But, because they get less than 12" of penetration in ballistic gel, they are not tested. ), .357 SIG (526 ft. If not please remember Grand Theft Auto is just a video game, not real life. Fragmentation, on the other hand, does not reliably occur in handgun wounds due to the relatively low velocities of handgun bullets. But, firing rounds takes time. If the wound channel is indeed the same, then the 45 is the inferior round in all regards except home defense. as are some of my other tests. death) 92+%, 9mm is just over 50%. Muzzle velocity is simply a measure of the speed of the projectile the moment it leaves the barrel. Not always which round is bigger, faster, more powerful!!!! At 75 yards (225 ft) you talking about the round arriving a mere .5 seconds faster. Speed is an important factor for ballistic performance, impacting accuracy, trajectory, energy, and penetration. Even in states with restrictions, you will shoot more accurately with 10x 9mm vs 10x ACP, so there is that in favor of the 9mm. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. Originally designed by Austrian firearm designer Georg Luger in 1901, [6] it is widely considered the most popular handgun and submachine gun cartridge due to its low cost and extensive availability. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. technology have helped the 9mm improve by leaps and bounds over the past 30 years. Don't be so quick to kill your brother just because his opinion is different than yours . Better find out. This backs up what I am saying about mass accounting for more in terms of penegation as velocity builds energy more than mass. While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal slower bullet drop. Hum. Quicker on target and more accurate shots with a less powerful cartridge will usually defeat slower on target and less accurate shots from a more powerful cartridge in a gunfight. I do exactly as you stated, we think alike. They took refuge in some kind of small room with a door on it. By the time you've pulled the trigger with a .45, a 9mm can put 3 rounds in any anatomically advantageous area. The marines and FBI went to the 9 so women could qualify because only 1 in 10 can with a 45. though they cant come out and say so. Any reference to "stopping power" in regards to the aforementioned rounds is laughable. I found this interesting as I was expecting certain loads to perform better in certain barrel lengths. And sure, you have to keep hitting which is much easier if they are close. If, as this data suggests, the external ballistics are practically negligible, then I can feel confident that Id be better served by getting the model with the best retention holster optionsRead more . Firing one of my rifles indoors would mean likely permanent hearing damage and a bullet ripping through my exterior walls at high velocity. In a self-defense scenario, you're using your firearm because if you don't, you or a loved one will be harmed. To add to this argument, I read a recommendation which said that in a civilian SHTF encounter, that five rounds would be enough to cover such an encounter based on research which had been carried out on previous encounters where the number of shots fired had been recorded, so purchasing a firearm with seven rounds would be considered more than enough (IN MOST CASES). I solved the argument of the 9mm vs the 45acp I have a 10mm and it's the best of both worlds, I am a Competition shooter I have shock sigsauer 9 mm Very unimpressed first of all Sigg Sire that I have the frame is bent We all know by now of Mr. Schumacher's killing of a large bear with a 9mm. I notice that most articles talking up the 9mm always compares the newest and best 9mm to the old slow fmj .45, not taking into account that there are now .45 with lighter projectiles and higher speeds that far and away leave the 9mm in the dust. This is a 9mm Luger ballistics chart (external) generated using our ballistic trajectory calculator. It's quiet and very handy if you plan on silencing a weapon. Considering that ballistics and expansion have increased for all calibers I like the 45 . There are videos and statistics comparing 357 and 45 acp. 4. Correct. Youve shot hundreds of people with both 45ACP and 9mm under exacting reproducible scientific conditions ? Either way, the 9mm and the .45 ACP both pack a strong enough punch to neutralize any threat. Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. A miss with a .454 will not help you bring that charging animal down. U.S.A. -(Ammoland.com)- Ever since I first mentioned doing a .45 ACP muzzle velocity article, people have been asking me if I would do a follow-up with the 9x19mm. Aside from that, aren't they using the same bullet technology on .45 as they are on 9mm? Getting back to the point the 9mm gives less recoil and many cops nowadays cant shoot for shit. Years ago when 9mm was the craze I purchased a Browning model 39. I'll stay with my 45. One of the great things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY! I can shoot my Sig 17-round magazine all day and not feel my wallet getting lighter by the minute. Praised for being compact and easier to handle than its .45 ACP counterpart, the 9mm has become one of the most popular rounds in the world. I have played many scenarios in my head and I always conclude that the proximity of an assailant in the street would be greater than the proximity in a home. It tracks the movement of the bullet in zero wind conditions, and out to 100 yards. And here were are with generations publicly embracing socialism and communism. Full sized .45 or .50 for when you really mean 'permanent' and final business and .300 BLK fmj rounds through a sbr (I know, tsk, tsk) or tactical pistola for 1200-1300 fps during a full blown war or zombie apocalypse! Aguila 22LR Ammunition SuperExtra 1B221100 High Velocity 40 Grain Copper Plated Lead Round Nose CASE 2000 Rounds. * Universal availability or AMMO--actually should be #1 !! Very informative article! If so, another one which should lead to enough blood pressure drop to lose consciousness. The point that the wound tracks are almost the same according to the 2014 report is very surprising to me and frankly illogical looking at the bullet size, both uncollapsed and collapsed. It's also recommended that you practise with a spray before you hit bear country, so you know how the spray works and how to spray effectively. Based on the data above, it appears that almost all loads tested got their greatest percentage increase in velocity up until about a 7" barrel length. Theres no doubt that the .45 ACP is a classic handgun thats not going anywhere in the foreseeable future, but it doesnt outperform the 9mm. It's all about the ammo. States where the max is ten bullets per magazine then 45 cal. The masses want to know. The bullet is/was a 147 grain hard Cast at 1100 FPS. Glocks are the best semi auto, there's no debate about it. BS! ), .40 S&W (447 ft. The first one is indirect evidence. Really? I say different tools for different tasks. https://guninstructor.net/Strasborg_Tests.pdf Thanks! People call the UK weak and passive but in reality nobody NEEDS guns here. CQB scenarios where youre within the 17 engagements and you want to do work quietly, the .45 ACP has all of the advantages. But it's like buying a vehicle, or picking out a new bass as far as there are pros and cons to each one. They will both have the same result! Theyre rounds, they go boom, they go flying down the barrel. My understanding is that most defensive shootings occur at 10 feet or less; probably because of the requirement to hold off until you are in fear of losing your life (home invasions not withstanding). you a link to reset your password. I would go with what I shoot best. **Specialty round for snub nose revolvers (low speed expansion)**, Copyright 2009 | Ballistics101.com | All rights reserved. Just keep pulling the trigger. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. A couple of things: 1. 50%? They went back to the .9mm due to the fact that the new meat in the FBI were not man or woman enuff to handle the .40. In my under experienced mind, you don't take 4 .45 rounds to the upper body and suffer life threatening injuries.you just plain and simply die. Faster bullets are generally more reliable for downrange shooting because they dont drop nearly as much. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. 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